Want to unleash Marv and the Cardinals' passing game?
By Walter Mitchell
Ever since the Cardinals selected Marvin Harrison Jr. with the 4th pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, for the team's fans and pundits he has become a daily focal point of interest that has generated an exasperating sense of urgency --- to the point where even when the offense plays great and the team wins ---if Marv's numbers don't jump off the page --- among the fans and pundits there becomes a sense of consternation and panic.
What the fans and pundits have either ignored or underestimated from the start is that Drew Petzing's offense is never going to run through a wide receiver. Never. Why? Because it runs through the running backs and tight ends. That's what make the offense click.
Wide receivers in Drew Petzing's offense are complimentary pieces who are given the opportunity to capitalize on defenses loading the box to try to slow down this relentless running attack and/or when the opponents' safeties are assigned to try to cover Trey McBride --- which opens all kinds of doors and areas of the field.
Yesterday, ESPN predicted every NFL team's ceiling and floors for the 2025 season which included a "Biggest X-factor" player who is designated to be the most crucial to the team's success. Here is Josh Weinfuss' assessment:
Win-loss record ceilings, floors for all NFL teams in 2025 - ESPN
Arizona Cardinals
Ceiling: 11-6 | Floor: 6-11
Biggest X factor: Wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr.
After his good-but-not-great rookie season, the expectation around the Cardinals is that Harrison will make the coveted jump in Year 2. Through training camp, he looks like he's on pace to do just that. He added 11 pounds of muscle and is moving as quickly as he did when he was lighter. Harrison's performance this season -- whether he can consistently show up throughout a full game, make tough catches and put up big numbers -- could dictate whether the Cardinals make the playoffs. -- Josh Weinfuss
Again, this season, it appears that all eyes and hopes are focused primarily on Marvin Harrison, Jr.
Therefore, if you want to unleash Marv and the Cardinals' passing game while getting the most out of Drew Petzing's offensive system ---
Drew Petzing could do what I was hoping what he would have done if the Cardinals had drafted Brock Bowers at #4 in the 2024 NFL Draft instead ---
Flex Marv opposite Trey McBride and have him run a mirror image of Trey McBride's route tree to the other side of the field.
Excellent write-up Walt.
ReplyDelete"Marv becomes an NFL-style "Flex Y" receiver, you know, like Larry Fitzgerald, the greatest receiver in the history of the Arizona Cardinals' did, per Todd Haley's creative vision and Fitz's determination to do whatever it took to take his game to the highest level."
Bingo! Watching the bigger MHJ run routes this season has been giving me flash backs of Larry Fitz. Kurt Warner did an excellent video last year on Kyler in the Chargers game. He talked about how pure progression makes a QB speed up too much. He also talks about the plays being overall good plays but the details that make the plays successful are not being properly coached which is most likely the result of a young inexperienced coaching staff. Last season a lot of posters talked about how Kyler looked like he was not getting better and basically plateaued during the Kingsbury HC years in AZ which makes a lot of sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqZmmSlOZY0
Here is my question. Do you think Kyler can make the improvements that KW talked about or do you think KM heading into his 7th season is what he is and the coaching staff not capable of helping Kyler improve his execution and clean up some of those plays KW talked about.
Thanks for the Kurt Warner analysis of Kyler's progressions video, Jethro. It was good to view it again. Because Kyler loses patience quickly and does not manipulate the pocket to buy time and space as often as other QBs do, I do not believe he can or ever will be great at working through progressions. What I would do if I was coaching Kyler is have a primary #1 route called on each passing play with the other receivers running complimentary routes (receivers know exactly what complimentary routes are --- often as simple as if the #1 option is to your side and it's an out route, run a go route to clear it out) and if for whatever reason Kyler does not throw to the #1 option when he is supposed to, then I would tell him to bolt the pocket to either run through it or around it to where he can see the field and either throw it to an open man or run with it.
DeleteKliff helped turn Johnny Manziel into a Heisman Trophy winner with this approach --- it's as simple as, with each passing play: here is your #1 target, if he's not open, bolt the pocket and create with your feet or arm (where you can see the field and the receivers better).
Makes sense. Keep it simple like K2 did with Manziel. Was that the offense K2 was running in 2021 during that 7-0 run?
DeleteOur passing game is most dependent upon two factors
ReplyDelete(1) Drew Petzing play calling - using 12 personnel, RB & TE take a greater share of pass-plays & RB & WR both take more running plays than a typical 11 personnel. So scheme and playcalling are important to overall game plans.
(2) Kyler Murray - We discussed KM's issues with Decision Making & Focus. Kylers ability to Audible from plays being called has made improvement. However I want to see how KM does over 18-game season. Does he disappear in last half of season again like he has pretty much every year wearing Cardinal Red?
The passing game will rely more on Petzing & Murray IMO that Harrison. If Petzing can't scheme plays to get Harrison some daylight from DB's and if Kyler is just floating 50/50 balls, our passing game will stink and people will be saying our WR (Harrison) sucks.
I am hopeful for passing game & Harrison improvements but realistic enough to know that the passing game relies on more than one WR to make it run well. Neither Petzing or Murray have shown it for a full season.
Petzing consistently had Harrison Jr. up line up as the "X" receiver on the wide side of the field, moving him around more often (e.g., into the slot, in motion) can create more favorable matchups and easier looks for self coached Kyler. It's called unpredictability-move MHJ around.
ReplyDeleteHe's been too frequently used on deep routes like go routes, posts, corners, and crossers. While he excels in these areas, incorporating a wider variety of routes like screens, slants, and hitches can increase his target volume and make him a more versatile threat.his rookie season saw a reliance on low-percentage fade routes. Expand the target types to include more throws where he can catch the ball in stride and use his athleticism.
Petzing should employ bunch sets and switch releases can help create space for Harrison Jr. by disorienting defensive backs and forcing them to navigate through traffic, rather than consistently asking him to win one-on-one against tight coverage.
This is NFL offense 101-can we coach, learn and develop it?
News and notes from Cards Broncos joint practice.
ReplyDeleteMcBride ate up a top 3 defense all day. Vance Joseph never could game plan a great TE! Otherwise, Cards D and O were lackluster putting it kindly. Bo Nix abused our D and Kyler, when not throwing to a consistently wide open McBride, abused his offense-more pics, batted and throw away balls. He had minimal connection with MHJ. When Broncos put in the DL starters, our OL sucked but got better against the Bronco subs.
Throughout the day, Cards secondary was gashed by Denver’s receiving corps. The prematurely great Will Johnson looked lost. Nix carved up the Cards D. In a 2 minute drill Nix moved the ball 60 yds in 70 seconds
In the two-minute drill to finish practice, the Cardinals offense struggled to move the ball, the Broncos offense marched into the red zone with ease.
Early the Cards DL starters played great. Broncos did not run the ball well until rookie Harvey ran right up the middle for a Td.
Cards are so good, well coached, ahead of schedule that they won't bother to play any starters in the preseason with the Broncos. The AZ cards never had a TD today. Broncos had 5. Our squad learned all they need to learn today at practice.
These in-depth, highly informative posts from you, 61, are one of the reasons why Kyle and I are very excited to have you as our special guest on Episode 180 of the Red Rain Podcast analysis of the ARI/DEN pre-season game this Sunday.
Deletehttps://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45908900/2025-nfl-season-positional-group-best-worst-quarterbacks-cornerbacks-receivers#qb
ReplyDeleteDon't shoot the messenger
Mike Clay seems to miss badly on ranking the Cardinals' talent at a the very least one position group every time he writes one of these assessments. A couple of years ago he had Budda and JT ranked in the mid to late 20s. I wrote him to offer a rebuttal. He didn't get back to me directly, however his ranking of the Cardinals' safeties changed dramatically the next time he did the rankings. Like from 26 to 8. This year it's the OL, which he has #25t --- despite the fact that the Cardinals run per carry average was #2 in the NFL in 2024, their PFF pass blocking grade was #4, and their total offensive yards per game 358.2 was #11, less than 1 yard per game below the Bills' and almost 2 yards per game better than the Vikings'. So how does an OL that #2 in ypc, #4 in pass pro and #11 in ypg that has EVERY starter returning (plus top 3 backups) come even remotely close to being #25? What a crock.
DeleteThat said, it was great to see Mike Clay ranks the Cardinals new DI #2 and the team's safeties #3 (Budda's number!). Thanks for providing us with the link, 61.
DeleteYou're welcome! The link might have provided more football insight than anything written on RotB since you left. YAWN
DeleteGreat analysis/discussions Walter, Jethro, RedRun and 61 and RotB is truly a YAWN these days!! Am looking forward to a 9:30 am Sunday pre-season game here in Beijing.
ReplyDeleteBeijing wow! Enjoy
Delete30 years of following the Cardinals here and most of the games are either at 2am or 5am Mondays. Die Hard fan much?? haha...retired so no need to worry about work on Monday.
DeleteCongratulations on your retirement, tianrui! You are the ultimate Beijing Cardinal!
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